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Poster: jmm2112 Date: Oct 16, 2008 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another Phil question

OK. I can see that. He just needs to be up in the mix enough for you to hear him doing it.

I think Pete Townshend said that John E. was actually the lead guitarist of The Who--they were just trying to keep up with him.

Any other bass players like that that come to mind?

Thanks,
James

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 16, 2008 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another Phil question

Sure do! Listen to Jack Bruce with Cream. Sunshine of your Love is pure Jack. Of course, Crossroads is a great Clapton vehicle, but on jams like Spoonful, you really hear Jack as much as Eric, and of course, no other instruments are "getting in the way" so it is easy to pick them out.

For the DEAD, listen to the DS from Live Dead and you can really hear how Phil "leads" us into it, and Jerry takes it from there, but Phil is always present, and is not just adding an underlying beat, as folks noted above, since he is literally an independent lead instrument at times.

Best of all for assessing Phil's contribution in his own right is to return to our favorite Phil piece: New Pot Caboose from 68. Try the one on TwoFrTVault for starters...his lead bass on that is outstanding, as often discussed hereabouts by CLIFF. Here is a thread with some more on that:

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=204584

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Poster: Morning Dewd Date: Oct 16, 2008 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another Phil question

Les Claypool, Mike Watt, Stanley Clarke, Victor Wooten,Brian Ritchie, Chris Squire, to name just a few.

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Poster: jmm2112 Date: Oct 16, 2008 11:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another Phil question

Where would Geddy Lee fit in?

James

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Oct 16, 2008 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another Phil question

The Ox is a supurb bassist definately, but so is Jack Cassidy of the Airplane.

Jaco played some superb bass check out Hejira by Joni Mitchell.

Matt Freeman of Rancid is pretty hot too.

And my twin sons, excellant bassists both

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Poster: clashcity Date: Oct 16, 2008 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another Phil question

"Matt Freeman of Rancid is pretty hot too."

He was great with Op Ivy and even better with Rancid.

The opening bass line of Journey to the End of East Bay is one of the best beginnings of a song I've heard...

As for Phil - me and friend were listening to the Dead channel on satellite and they had an interview with Jerry talking about how Phil would play 4 minute plus phrases that wouldn't make sense to anyone looking at it as a traditional bass line for a song, but if you were to look at from afar, or something, it was one well thought out series of notes that made sense.

I don't understand what that really means as I'm not a musician but it was cool to hear Jer say...

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Oct 17, 2008 3:04am
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That's Ornette's harmolodics.

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Poster: roughyed85 Date: Oct 16, 2008 2:13pm
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Christian McBride

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Poster: alycabally Date: Oct 16, 2008 3:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another Phil question

Agree on Jack Casady. I like all the other guys mentioned that I knew of and here are a few more.

Tim Schmitt of Poco
Pino Palladino ( I think the Who live sound better with him than ox).
Flea, if nobody mentioned him.
Oteil Burbridge

Reminds me of the missionary who was captured, tied to a stake in the middle of the village and left there. Upon his arrival he could hear a primitive drumbeat in the distance, which worried him greatly. The drumming continued through the night and when a woman brought him gruel he asked what was up with the drumming, she replied " no talk, bad for you if drums stop." Resigned to his fate he sighed and listened to the drumming all day and into the night when a second woman came. She also told him it would be bad for him if the drumming stopped. He begged her to tell him what would happen when the drums stopped. She walked away without answering and the conntinued drumming pushed him closer to his edge.
The next afternoon the first woman returned and the missionary pleaded with her to say what would happen when the drums stopped. She looked him and said "bad for you". He begged until she turned and said "when drums stop bass solo start".

Forgive me.

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Poster: august_wst Date: Oct 16, 2008 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another Phil question

I agree with the above posts. If you read some of the interviews with Garcia, early on in the bands career he was really frustrated by Phil's tendency to play "lead" as opposed to the standard backbone beat a bass player usually plays. When you combine that with Bobby's tendency to play "in between" everyone else, Jerry said he had to develop a style that worked with both unorthodox styles.

As for other bass players to recommend.... oh yeah! Jaco!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxZWvhGE7CM

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Poster: jmm2112 Date: Oct 16, 2008 11:36am
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Third Stone from the Sun?

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Poster: august_wst Date: Oct 16, 2008 11:39am
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yup. nice bass, eh?

it's taken from a Joni Mitchell concert. He has lots of his own stuff, some great things with a band named Weather Report.

Also check out Victor Wooten with Bela Fleck and the Flecktones(plenty of him in YouTube too). He has to be the best bass player alive if you ask me

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 16, 2008 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Another Phil question

Here's another link, provided by R & B below:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd69-01-24.sbd.kaplan.7922.sbeok.shnf